YES We show the termination of the relative TRS R/S: R: f(x,c(y)) -> f(x,s(f(y,y))) f(s(x),y) -> f(x,s(c(y))) S: rand(x) -> x rand(x) -> rand(s(x)) -- SCC decomposition. Consider the non-minimal dependency pair problem (P, R), where P consists of p1: f#(x,c(y)) -> f#(x,s(f(y,y))) p2: f#(x,c(y)) -> f#(y,y) p3: f#(s(x),y) -> f#(x,s(c(y))) and R consists of: r1: f(x,c(y)) -> f(x,s(f(y,y))) r2: f(s(x),y) -> f(x,s(c(y))) r3: rand(x) -> x r4: rand(x) -> rand(s(x)) The estimated dependency graph contains the following SCCs: {p2} {p3} -- Reduction pair. Consider the non-minimal dependency pair problem (P, R), where P consists of p1: f#(x,c(y)) -> f#(y,y) and R consists of: r1: f(x,c(y)) -> f(x,s(f(y,y))) r2: f(s(x),y) -> f(x,s(c(y))) r3: rand(x) -> x r4: rand(x) -> rand(s(x)) The set of usable rules consists of r1, r2, r3, r4 Take the reduction pair: weighted path order base order: matrix interpretations: carrier: N^2 order: lexicographic order interpretations: f#_A(x1,x2) = ((1,0),(1,1)) x2 + (1,1) c_A(x1) = ((1,0),(1,1)) x1 + (2,3) f_A(x1,x2) = ((1,0),(0,0)) x2 + (1,2) s_A(x1) = (0,1) rand_A(x1) = ((1,0),(1,0)) x1 + (1,2) precedence: c = rand > f# = f > s partial status: pi(f#) = [2] pi(c) = [] pi(f) = [] pi(s) = [] pi(rand) = [] The next rules are strictly ordered: p1 We remove them from the problem. Then no dependency pair remains. -- Reduction pair. Consider the non-minimal dependency pair problem (P, R), where P consists of p1: f#(s(x),y) -> f#(x,s(c(y))) and R consists of: r1: f(x,c(y)) -> f(x,s(f(y,y))) r2: f(s(x),y) -> f(x,s(c(y))) r3: rand(x) -> x r4: rand(x) -> rand(s(x)) The set of usable rules consists of r1, r2, r3, r4 Take the reduction pair: weighted path order base order: matrix interpretations: carrier: N^2 order: lexicographic order interpretations: f#_A(x1,x2) = x1 s_A(x1) = x1 c_A(x1) = (1,0) f_A(x1,x2) = ((1,0),(1,1)) x1 + (2,1) rand_A(x1) = ((1,0),(1,1)) x1 + (1,1) precedence: f# = s = c = f > rand partial status: pi(f#) = [1] pi(s) = [1] pi(c) = [] pi(f) = [] pi(rand) = [] The next rules are strictly ordered: p1 We remove them from the problem. Then no dependency pair remains.